Carol Benson built (and lost) a multi million pound business. Losing everything - house, car, faced bankruptcy, the whole lot. Everything.
Now they work to help people who are stuck in a rut, on the hamster wheel however you want to describe it.
At that point in the conversation, we talked about bending the reality.
We talked about a new invention - "The Benson co-efficient" - worth knowing if you are a speaker.
But you will have to listen to the episode to find out what it is.